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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.28 16:52:00 -
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So wait, basically what you're saying is you want to destroy certain human lives to save others? Yes, that makes perfect sense. Because as long as the people you're killing aren't under your flag, it's acceptable, yes?
Seriously, you'd think as a species overall we'd be more mature than this. 
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.29 06:47:00 -
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Edited by: Rek Jaiga on 29/10/2010 06:49:28
 Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
Despite overwhelming evidence that these Nation-sponsored capsuleers are directly tied to the Nation
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Except, we're not directly tied nor sponsored by Nation. Nation ships fire even on us if we hang around a gate or belt for too long. Like most capsuleers who support a certain nation, we do so without the official commission of that Nation.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.29 16:54:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak
It's a matter of killing slavers to protect the freedom of others, race-traitor.
Race-traitor? I served the Republic well and made it to the rank of Blade Commander. You've no idea how many lives I've taken in the name of the Minmatar people. But now I see past the walls of racial thinking and serve all of humanity, in my own way.
Originally by: StalinGrad6
Death to Sansha. Nothing else but Death.
Have you been taking EoM pills this morning? I mean if you're so committed to the path of genocide of an entire Nation, I must say you're insane. Indiscriminately exterminating billions of lives as you would like is psychopathy of the highest degree.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.29 23:47:00 -
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Originally by: Borza Slavak
You are supporting those who have enslaved millions of our people. Fighting the Amarrian slavers in the past does not give you the right to support Sansha slavers with impunity.
WE come for our people. You have betrayed them.
I'm not asking for the right to support anyone with impunity. I'm asking for you to see things from my persepective. I destroyed thousands of Amarrian ships, killing many Amarrians but also many of our brother Minmatar who were forced to man the Amarrian ships. Don't you see a problem with this? The Republic insists that destroying Amarrian ships is fine, but at what cost? These thoughts lingered in my mind in the latter days of my service in the Republic's militia. Eventually, I got tired of the back-and-forth sanctioned genocide known as "war".
Then, I hear about Nation. Nation takes people from worlds, yes. They take hungry, starving people from polluted industrial worlds and give them purpose (as well as food and other such basic needs, as it would appear the empires are indifferent to their own peoples' needs). Nation works for the betterment of all mankind. Not just one race, but ALL people. The people whom Nation takes are not slaves, as slaves by definition do not wish to be in the condition they are in. The True Slaves enjoy their position and duties in the world, whereas before they were the poor, starving, and unhappy people of the empires. Who are you to deny them happiness? Who are you to deny anyone happiness?
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.30 02:30:00 -
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Originally by: Koronakesh
Thank you for providing them a simple explanation, Aria. Perhaps simple enough for them to actually process.
Because the best way to convince your opponent in debate is to demean them. Nevermind convincing the onlookers that you're right; they'll see you as the more mature person when you insult your opponent.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.30 16:34:00 -
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Originally by: Sinjin Mokk
As for Rek Jaiga, when they call you a race-traitor they mean your betrayal to the Human Race, not the Minmatar.
I fail to see how siding with an egalitarian Nation which takes the sick and starving from your worlds and gives them better lives is a betrayal to the human race.
Originally by: Seriphyn Inhonores
..such as uplifting various races that were nothing but neolithic tribes...
As was already said by another individual, the Matari were not neolithic but were space-faring, and were even in the process of developing massive acceleration gates for inter-system travel.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.31 03:21:00 -
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Originally by: Aleria Angelis
Taking people from their homes and place of birth is not charity, and telling them what to think and believe isnÆt giving them purpose. Don't try and warp the actions of Kuvakei into something selfless or altruistic, you unquestionably deserve the collective hatred and hostility of the cluster.
When that particular home is Ashab II, I wouldn't blame anyone for wanting to leave. The surface temperature is an unbearable 306 Kelvins. The air, land, and sea are dark and grey with pollution. The Amarr Empire, which is renowned for being very careful in managing its planets, has allowed this world to become more resemblent to a giant sphere of metal with an atmosphere than a truly habitable planet. What do you think the quality of life is like there? How do you think the slaves there feel about their home?
And don't tell me what I deserve. That's not for anyone to decide. There are no moral absolutes. In the end there won't be anyone left to claim victory (moral or otherwise), but that's another topic of discussion.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.31 06:08:00 -
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Originally by: Julianus Soter
There is no hope for future emancipation, or hope for personal advancement under such a regime. There will only be Unity. Everything we now know will cease to exist, until the end of the universe itself.
Now, we drop a few words for some extra emphasis:
Originally by: Julianus Soter
Everything we now know will cease to exist, until the end of the universe itself.
No matter what any of us ever do, everything we have known, currently know, and will ever know will cease to exist. Everything we have built, are building, and will ever build will also cease to exist. This makes "progress" a rather convincing illusion. Any mark humanity leaves will be irrecoverably erased as the universe approaches entropic heat death. In light of this knowledge, which will you choose? "Progress" or Unity?
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.31 06:22:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken
Based on your logic, what is the point of either, rat?
Unity is something found in nature. Atoms bond, elementary particles pair, and fields interact. Progress, on the other hand, is something nature on average opposes. Buildings crumble, living things die, and energy becomes entropy. Surely you see the profound philosophical implications, no? Unity has credence in nature (it actually exists), progress does not.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.31 07:16:00 -
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Entropy may power down the binding nuclear forces, but it doesn't completely eliminate them. Even when the universe achieves the highest possible amount of entropy and goes into a state of heat death, particle-antiparticle pairs will still appear in the void randomly, joined by the unifying nuclear forces. Granted they'll be short-lived pairs, but the random production of these pairs will continue indefinitely. In other words, unity is indefinite in some sense. On the other hand, in this heat death scenario no progress is being made. No new structures are appearing; just the particle-antiparticle pairs and electromagnetic radiation.
The entire universe is a closed system. What can exist outside of the universe, when by definition the universe is everything that exists?
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.31 07:23:00 -
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Originally by: Boma Airaken
Nihilism and unity. What a strange combination. You seek to do so that you can achieve nothing. Interesting.
By your own logic, you Nation folks should sit down, **** and **** on the rug, because at the end of the day nothing matters. Why bother undocking? Why bother BREATHING?
Please note that I do not speak for Master Kuvakei nor Nation. I only speak for myself. But at any rate:
By no means am I saying nothing matters. I am saying the only things that matter are the things we assign value to. Reality is a purely subjective experience, and as such whenever we make conclusions about our surroundings they are subjective conclusions, and are only valid from our own perspective. Thus, I have reached my above conclusions concerning unity and progress.
And besides a nihilist would point out that doing and not-doing are both equally pointless, and not-doing is the more boring of the two options for most people.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.31 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Vikarion
That is not certain. The beings humans become may find a way to escape this universe, to rejuvenate it, or to restart it. The future is not certain.
But Unity is stagnation. No competition, no ambition, and, as you here admit, no progress. You advocate exchanging an uncertain damnation for a sure one. It is a bad bargain.
Actually, entropic heat death of the universe is quite certain. Have you studied thermodynamics outside of the context given in the skillbooks?
Unity is not necessarily stagnation. Seeing as true unity has never been achieved for every human being, if it were to be achieved it would be a new era in human existence. It would be true progress, versus the "progress" advocated by the empires, if you catch my drift. In other words, there is a more abstract form of progress than that which the empires advocate but I believe Nation seeks.
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Rek Jaiga
Minmatar
True Slave Foundations
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Posted - 2010.10.31 17:27:00 -
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Originally by: Aleria Angelis
Actually nature actively encourages progress, living things die but the genetic material they pass on is in an ever changing state of adaptation. ItÆs called evolution and sometimes it can rely on a just single genetic mutation of one individual to create an entire new species. If youÆre following the laws of nature then you should know that sacrificing your diversity is a one way ticket to extinction.
Nature doesn't encourage progress, progress simply happens now due to the supportive environment that the universe is at the moment. Give it a few billion years, and material progress will cease and even reverse.
Originally by: Aleria Angelis
By that logic how can you justify your recent attack on Trytedald III.[...]Kuvakei is far from selective in his attacks.
I didn't attack the planet. But at any rate there is a reason for these recovery operations, though I will never be entitled to such information. One such explanation is that Nation's population is dwindling. Who knows? I'm a Nation capsuleer, which means I'm not a part of the Nation proper. All my ideas concerning Nation could be wrong, but my reasons for supporting Nation are my own and I will continue to fight against the empires.
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